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Foundation for Object / Relational Databases: The Third Manifesto by C J Date,Hugh Darwen Book Review

Name: The Swan
Rating: 2.0 out of 5 stars
Title: .0 out of 5 stars Disappointed, Again!
Date: Reviewed in the United States on October 31, 2010
Review: This is the second of C.J. Date's tomes I've read in recent months. And a trend emerges: There tend to be two chapters of each book that are actually worthwhile. The rest is hardly worth the fuel it would take to incinerate it. In Date's most recent book, "Logic and Databases: The Roots of Relational Technology", the chapters on normalization and why "denormalization" ought to be avoided are really quite good. In fact, his representation of the normal forms in descending, rather than ascending, order is really an interesting and clever breakthrough to the elucidation of an otherwise challenging subject. However, the rest of that book is frankly useless. Here, Date's first two chapters on the continued efficacy of the relational model even in support of object oriented analysis, design, and programming is really well done. The rest of the book, sadly, is little more than Date's, and evidently, Darwen's, attempt to peddle their so-called "tutuorial D" as an alternative to the SQL standard. Now, the chance of such a substitution occurring is so remote as to obviate serious consideration. And the balance of this book, following the initial two chapters, is likewise devoid of importance. The authors even have the audacity to suggest, in the introduction to one large section of the book, that no reader should even attempt to understand it on the first reading. This begs the question: Is the writing really so unclear as to be unintelligible. Yes, sadly, it is.

I must say that I did benefit greatly from one aspect of the book. The authors cite admiringly the classic work, "The Mythical Man Month" by Brooks. And that citation led me to purchase, read, and thoroughly enjoy said classic. So, thanks, Chris and Hugh, at least for that.

Name: Steve Wilson
Rating: 4.0 out of 5 stars
Title: .0 out of 5 stars A serious, rigorous book about what a RDBMS should be.
Date: Reviewed in the United States on March 4, 1999
Review: Mr. Data and Mr. Darwen have much to say in this book. The question is will community of "database" people read it, assimilate it, and get to sufficient mass to discuss the merits of the concepts described in this book? And, if that does happen, will it be too late to implement any of the concepts in a real DBMS?
There is no question that there is a rather heated debate about the "virtues" of the relational database model vs. the object database model. Both sides throw rocks at each other: The "object-landers" say the RDBMS is too slow, and has too much "impedance", and besides "you people are fighting a rear guard action"! And the "relation landers" say the ODBMS is too data dependent, chases pointers all over the place, and is just a "CODASYL" DBMS with a pretty face! Meanwhile, the vendor's of both types of DBMS adopt and implement features from the other camps product.
What is refreshing about this book is that it attempts to get away from the "rock throwing" and get to some new and deeper understanding of what an RDBMS could and should be. And, it does not apologize for advocating the relational model.
This book is not casual. It is rigorous, and the reader should have a good foundation of database theory to get the most out of it.
I came away with three main themes after reading this book:
§ Support the relational model, and define what an "object' is and where it fits into the relational model. "Object" = Domain = Data Type. Enough said.
§ Define a more "relational" query language - let's call it "D". (Why not "D++" to really get em going? Sorry, we are being rigorous now!) Mr. Darwen and Mr. Date never were big SQL fans. So, they give us a new language that they claim is better and is backward compatible with SQL. Again - enough said.
§ The API to a database is just as important as the DBMS' core engine - but they are different things. This is something that I never questioned as DBA or as "code jockey". The claim from supporters of the ODBMS is that one of the problems with the RDBMS is that the database language is soooo different from the programming language. And, they are right! People that support the RDBMS (I'm one of them) spend a lot of energy trying to defend the RDBMS on this issue. This book makes the point that it's not the RDBMS' fault. There is nothing wrong with the conceptual model of the database. It is the Application Programming Language (API) that is the problem. But, as Date & Darwen emphasize here - these are logically different things. We should not "dumb down" the database access to support the model and architecture of the programming language.
Steve Wilson [email protected]

Name: Brian Slesinsky
Rating: 3.0 out of 5 stars
Title: .0 out of 5 stars Disappointed academics argue for a new database utopia
Date: Reviewed in the United States on June 15, 2002
Review: It really is a manifesto. The authors tell us how database software has strayed from the one true theory and how everything would be so much better if databases were designed with theoretical elegance as the highest priority. Since this unlikely to happen any time soon, the book isn't of immediate practical use, but if you're interested in software design and aren't turned off by highly opinionated writing, it's a thought-provoking read. They give formal, mathematical definitions of their theory, but also explain the same thing in prose, so database programmers should be able to understand their arguments even if they skip the mathematics as I did.
The purpose of a political document is persuasion, and although they make some good points I wasn't convinced. All of their arguments are based on theoretical elegance. What's really needed is an extended example showing how a practical database would be more easily modelled using their theory. I was left wondering whether a "theoretically correct" database would actually be easier to build and maintain than the ad-hoc systems we have today - many a theoretically elegant language turns out to be too difficult to use in practice.
Also, the authors dismiss some opposing arguments without really understanding their benefits. For example, Appendix B describes how to make a relational view based on a table of object values, which seems like a nice way of having your cake and eating it too (since you can have encapsulation and inheritance). But after bringing it up they dismiss with "what purpose would be served?" I was left wishing it were an online discussion so I could argue back.